1bar boost on Stock CA turbo....how safe

PPinkfluffybunnys27 May 2008, 13:35

I work at a place that has departments that do quality control on metals so I just double checked with them before I replyied, And I’m sorry to tell you that aluminum almost any metal will fail catastrophically when pushed beyond its limits, if you had worked much with aluminum you would have noticed how easily it fractures and tends to crack also Steel / aluminum and other metals after being place through extensive thermal cycles tend to get brittle and fractures\fatigue over time.

Now I am going to ask you a question, you are using a 12 year old turbo lets say a T25, OK and its been through millions of thermal cycles ,yes its had a couple of rebuilds but the wheels have not been replaced.

Now you need more power so you increase the boost pressure to get those extra pounds of air so now the shaft speed increase from lets say 10000rpm a minute to 13000 rpm a minute the increase shaft speed is because the wastgate stays closed longer before the required pressure is reached but now because of the increase boost there is also increase heat around the exhaust house and this is made worse because of the t25 small .48 A/R step-up so now the cartage is taking more heat hence the failure of over boosted units as the seals start to give out also increased oil breakdown the turbo is also working a lot harder to produce said boost increasing the temperature of the air supplied …

Above this the tip speed and centrifugal force of the compress/expeller wheels are increase producing a more stress on the metals involved making it more likely that there will be a catastrophic failure, now lets make things worse still the t25 small .48 A/R housing will suffer from huge boost spikes even when the set pressure is reached this is because of the small wategate and the increased pressure around 3 times boost pressure between the manifold and turbo because of the incorrectly sized housing this will further more increase the shaft speed stressing the metals even more that’s why a older SR20 has a T25g with a .64 A/R exhaust housing

Now I know you are happy that you proved the blades are made from aluminum but I don’t really care, because even if they thought they where made of titanium or freaking adamantium you are still stressing them beyond the sensible capabilities secondly the increase flow of the t28 will allow it to pressurize the piping more efficiently making it more practical at the set sensible boost level but then again check the flow charts on this one.

Thirdly, I don’t care if you think the internals are the same, The “Fact” is a T28 will flow more air then a T25 that a fact unless it a special Garret unit and you can Google why.

Dude if an endless "E-thug" battle makes you feel like you have your Sx back then I’m happy I could help but this was a waste of time and it stupid stuff like this that warps the truth and stops us from helping people and that’s what a forum is for

PPinkfluffybunnys27 May 2008, 13:37

So does anyone know the spec on a Rb20 and 25 DET

Turbo wise? I need to brush up again but the if I remember correctly the RB25 has a very nice unit, But the rear bolt pattern does not match out down pipes.

DDracomoderator27 May 2008, 14:26

I work at a place that has departments that do quality control on metals so I just double checked with them before I replyied, And I’m sorry to tell you that aluminum almost any metal will fail catastrophically when pushed beyond its limits, if you had worked much with aluminum you would have noticed how easily it fractures and tends to crack also Steel / aluminum and other metals after being place through extensive thermal cycles tend to get brittle and fractures\fatigue over time.

Good for you, thanks for the useless info, when presisely does this happen, how much boost, what temp, what revs, how long does it have to perform like this for this to happen....what is the limits of a T25 comressor blade and wheel, have thay tested it 🙄 are we speaking about aluminum in general or a turbo impeller :shock:ask them to test it and post all the detailes so I can have my facts straight next time...

Now I am going to ask you a question, you are using a 12 year old turbo lets say a T25, OK and its been through millions of thermal cycles ,yes its had a couple of rebuilds but the wheels have not been replaced.

You are assuming again friend....assumtions are the mother of all F*ckups aint it, but I'll comment futher when I see your works quility control department tests on a 12 year old turbo compressor wheel

Now you need more power so you increase the boost pressure to get those extra pounds of air so now the shaft speed increase from lets say 10000rpm a minute to 13000 rpm a minute the increase shaft speed is because the wastgate stays closed longer before the required pressure is reached but now because of the increase boost there is also increase heat around the exhaust house and this is made worse because of the t25 small .48 A/R step-up so now the cartage is taking more heat hence the failure of over boosted units as the seals start to give out also increased oil breakdown the turbo is also working a lot harder to produce said boost increasing the temperature of the air supplied …

These parts are made for operation to about 100 000 rpm and tempriture to 1200 digrees farenhight.....thats pretty tough don't you think and still they mention broken hard parts that cause wheel shatters....I am sure if you are gonna run it on 100 000 rpm for a whole hour or maybe less it will burn up and shatter....maybe but I will wait for your quiality departments test before I commit to a theory

Now I know you are happy that you proved the blades are made from aluminum but I don’t really care, because even if they thought they where made of titanium or freaking adamantium you are still stressing them beyond the sensible capabilities secondly the increase flow of the t28 will allow it to pressurize the piping more efficiently making it more practical at the set sensible boost level but then again check the flow charts on this one.

I am extremely happy that I proved what I know, again I will wait for your quality dep. tests before I comment, ask them to do it on the same size titanium as well

Thirdly, I don’t care if you think the internals are the same, The “Fact” is a T28 will flow more air then a T25 that a fact unless it a special Garret unit and you can Google why.

I don't need to Google, I know the flowwwww is better....again it seems you think I disputed this.....why,is it the pink bunnies that told you this...?

Dude if an endless "E-thug" battle makes you feel like you have your Sx back then I’m happy I could help but this was a waste of time and it stupid stuff like this that warps the truth and stops us from helping people and that’s what a forum is for

OOOOOO that makes sense...I did this because of my endless pain of selling my sx 🙄 , I do agree, you are wasting my time, I could have given other people my opinions by now.... 😉

PS. relax dude, I was just doing this cos I injoyed reading how you get all defensive and agrevated, lets help the dudes, thats what I say,relax it's all about the flowwwwwww 😂 😂 😂

PPinkfluffybunnys27 May 2008, 15:13

Now that was a bad set of comebacks...

Its like watching a 4 year old have a tantrum, anyway glad you enjoyied it

kkarism27 May 2008, 15:45

Ok,ok.I might have been comming on too strong! 😮

Alu Alloy,and Alu is two totally different things!

I agreed with all you have said Draco,except the part about the Alu compressor blades.

>> My reasoning. I have seen what happens when Alu when it gets too hot: Form a picture # Blink# 1 standard motorbike silencer.Place standard motherbike silencer on Rotary exhaust.Drive around for a few minutes.See the alu breaking apartt bit by bit.It didnt melt or anyhting weird like that,if fisically broke apart.

The rest : It is not a healthy idea to overstress a Turbo!!! I have seen what happens when a turbo lets go some years ago. 😮 😮 😮

😀 happy times,!!

vveecee27 May 2008, 22:05

hey draco...

i think that corsa has been to the beach too many times, cos...

you got WAAAAYYYY to much sand in your vagina!!!

DDracomoderator28 May 2008, 08:44

veecee wrote:

hey draco...

i think that corsa has been to the beach too many times, cos...

you got WAAAAYYYY to much sand in your vagina!!!

Hey VC.....

at least my corsa has a vagina......come on sunny, had some bad chips again....

DDracomoderator28 May 2008, 08:54

Pinkfluffybunnys wrote:

Now that was a bad set of comebacks...

Its like watching a 4 year old have a tantrum, anyway glad you enjoyied it

Noggal impressive for a 4 year old hey.....sorry that I left a bad taste in your mouth, I guess we all have our opinions don't we, I exept it, hope you are mature enough to get past this little thread.....

Smile.....dude

DDracomoderator28 May 2008, 09:02 · edited

veecee wrote:

RBSX wrote:

So does anyone know the spec on a Rb20 and 25 DET

i dunno exactly cos its a while since i researched it but i've read recently that these three sites have some fantastic info:

www.google.com
www.dracosthumb.co.za
www.dracosarse.co.za

hehehehe!!!! 😂 😂 😂

😂 😂 😂 :200sx_stupid:

You will get the most answers at www.dracosthumb.co.za and www.dracosarse.co.za.....don't try www.VC'svagina.bullshit or www.VC'sdumbshitpages.blogshit.com 😀 😀

:200sx_taz: look at me gooing a tantrum 😉

DDracomoderator28 May 2008, 09:22

Alu Alloy,and Alu is two totally different things!

Karism....where did you get that....don't tell me you got it from VC or his sites.....or fluffy bunnies work quality department.

Just joking man 😂 .....I don't have a clue what the differance is between the two 🙄

This is what my Thumb site says.... 😂

(Symbol Al) Aluminum
A silvery-white, ductile metallic element, the most abundant in the earth's crust but found only in combination, chiefly in bauxite. Having good conductive and thermal properties, it is used to form many hard, light, corrosion-resistant alloys. Atomic number 13; atomic weight 26.98; melting point 660.2°C; boiling point 2,467°C; specific gravity 2.69; valence 3.

Aluminum Alloy
An alloy of aluminum and relatively small amounts of other metals, such as copper, magnesium, or manganese, the biggest part being aluminum.

Ok I admit it.....I was patially wrong ok....I will update my sites 😉

:200sx_angel:

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