timing keeps changing plz help

HancoB wrote:

What should be done when running higher boost then?

What should be done when running bigger injectors?

and so the same for FMIC mods?

Run a piggy back, unless you want to be getto?

Looks like your best bet will be to go to RAW and let him fix it for you!

Nope, just get the right advise and sort it, he wants base timing, no need to getto rig anything, just set the base as I told him and he will be 100% fine. Better that than getto rigging it and paying somone to rebuild it 2-3 times because your so smart trying to fuck with the stock ECU that has nothing wrong with it.

You'd better start selling everything you have tho!

Agg cute? you sour because you were trying to be cool buying a sports car that you cant afford? these getto mods costing you lots of money in the long run? just remember some of us baught S's for the sole reason to modify and have fun with not try count how many cents we have at the end of the month to keep it running... but even then at least we do things right which is usualy cheaper than getto rigging it and having to rebuild.

And the only half build ive ever done on a car where i didnt fit a stand alone was Riaan's, and you would be pretty dumb if you didnt know your "mate" had the S-AFC2 in his glove box... funny how that CA18 made over 200kw on its STOCK base timing with a S-AFC doing the fuel trim... amazing how it works when you do it right hey?

ha ha most sx'es out there have mounts so worn that it takes more of a beating and the roads are so messed up.

Remember one thing Ian, all the sx'es in SA doesn't go to you. 😉

and as for the piggy back, why didn't you fit one then?

Some times you have to go the "getto", as you call it, route coz thats all you can do at that time.

The guys on this forum aren't all rich and can't all afford the uber great things out there.

So if we take it to a point now, what you are saying is that, dont fit a bigger cooler, dont fit bigger injectors, dont fit bigger cams, infact dont do anyting, keep it stock.

or if you want to do something, get a piggy back and the the rest of the mods?

Right raw?

and then as for poizens case, dude take you FMIC off and fit the stock one, dont up your boost, or anything in the line of more power.

😂 😂

raw what piggy back unit would you suggest

my car is stock, so none of that, running stock boost, stock coolers everything stock.

Car was tuned on a dyno to the best fuel consumption and power. Haven't had a bit of trouble and no problems!

I love it as is, and yes money is a big thing at this time with our economy or did you miss something.

Yes I know he had that apexi, but it still knocked.

Just face the fact that some other people out there have other ways of doing things.

The Nismo guys or Top secret or Amuse or name it will crap on your head for doing some things that you do. They have their ways and you have yours. I respect your ways and have seen a few of your builds and yes very nice and very good, but someone else would have done other things and you have to respect that.

HancoB wrote:

ha ha most sx'es out there have mounts so worn that it takes more of a beating and the roads are so messed up.

Remember one thing Ian, all the sx'es in SA doesn't go to you. 😉

and as for the piggy back, why didn't you fit one then?

Some times you have to go the "getto", as you call it, route coz thats all you can do at that time.

The guys on this forum aren't all rich and can't all afford the uber great things out there.

So if we take it to a point now, what you are saying is that, dont fit a bigger cooler, dont fit bigger injectors, dont fit bigger cams, infact dont do anyting, keep it stock.

or if you want to do something, get a piggy back and the the rest of the mods?

Right raw?

and then as for poizens case, dude take you FMIC off and fit the stock one, dont up your boost, or anything in the line of more power.

😂 😂

🙄

dude... seriously now,,, are you stupid?

First you say it didnt, now you say it does but it knocked? please, stop talking shit and realise people know you dont know what your talking about, that motor would not have lasted 500km's knocking... yet it didnt give a single problem in what? 12 months of his driving? at 200kw on staight pump fuel with no form of octane booster or meth?

There is NOTHING wrong with modding a SX with a stock ECU, but you DO NOT need to fuck with ecu by either changing base timing or base fuel... this is just stupid, if you get to the stage where your stock ECU is out of range fit a piggy back and blanket the part you need changed... this only realy needs to be done once you get to changing fuel injectors or air flow meters,,, if youve already spent all the money doing FMIC, intake, exhaust ectr why not spend on the managment where some of the best power can be made?

And yes your right, not all the SX's come to me, I have a 19 month waiting list and I only do cars that are worth my time and hastle, unfortunatly I dont deal with small fry as I have more important things to do,, that in no way means though that my advise to Poizen or anyone else here isnt to try help them.

And yes other people would disagree with how I do things, but the fact of the matter is the motors I build last, they make power and they are fuel efficient, when you can one day get that right then you can come try preach to me.

The thing is there is all the talking but poizen still sits with a problem that needs to be fixed, asap, and he doesn't have the cash to fix it by fitting a piggy back or stand alone.

So then to stop the changing of the timing when he tightens the bolts what non "getto" non expensive ways are there since my suggestions are all wrong.

he needs to get the car going asap.

HancoB wrote:

The thing is there is all the talking but poizen still sits with a problem that needs to be fixed, asap, and he doesn't have the cash to fix it by fitting a piggy back or stand alone.

So then to stop the changing of the timing when he tightens the bolts what non "getto" non expensive ways are there since my suggestions are all wrong.

he needs to get the car going asap.

And I repeat from my first post on page 1:
**Your 100% correct, set it to 15 degree's, that is your base timing, dont listen to ANYONE that tells you to set it on a dyno, no matter WHAT you have done you should always run 15deg base on your stock ECU,

Poizen, get out your FSM read how it tells you how to disconect the TPS ectr to do it, make sure the rubber o-ring isnt pinched get it to 15deg and slowly tighten one by one till its tight, if it moves there is somthing in the CAS drive or mounting bracket loose,,,

If your car is set up right (cam timing) 15deg should be almost spot on in the middle on the slots, if the head and block has been skimmed it will obviously change slightly.**

Great now there you go!

and remember to use a light weight hammer! 😂 😂

Sorry Hanco but I have to agree with RAW, you set the base timing at 15degrees and leave it there. The ECU uses this as a reference for everything, all timing and fueling are based on this so leave it where it is.

Poizen - I'm not going to tell you who's advice to follow, you can surely think for yourself 😀

Anyway - your problem might be similar to the one I had on the CAS that I had to change after my rebuild. Check the tabs on the side where the bolts go through - on my old CAS the bolts where fitted without washers and had been overtightened, causing the bolts to actually damage the tabs.

As soon as a groove or pit like this is there, the CAS is always going to return to that position. If this is the case, try fitting the bolts with bigger washers to distribute the load or otherwise you'll have to make another plan. Just remember that the sensor in the CAS is quite sensitive.

Pinkfluffybunnys wrote:

This was so funny I was rolling on the floor. This is an Epic thread 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Poizen – Humor me a little please check that your crank shaft bolt that holds the pulley on is tight

yes it is i even toruqed it down to correct specs it either my tabs or the backing plate not sittinn 100% so ill tank it off and then check

thanks for the help guys

Just something on the ca18 timing. There seems to be a lot of concencus that the base timing on the ca18det should be 10btdc and not 15. Even though the euro spec fsm says 15. The japanese fsm says 10.

So Poizen .. i the car fixed what's goin on man?

Hey boy... if you have something personal against Hanco, go Pm him,,, no one here is intersted in this bullshit

everyone her has different way on doing stuff... if you dont like they way hanco does it find a way you comfortable

I dont think that anyone on this forum would want to give you advice that could cause problems,,, so its up to the individual as to who he trusts ,

But dont go shooting evryone down , just beacuse they do things differently>>>>>>>>

Please end the Insults 😕

poizen is the cab sorted or what ????

HancoB wrote:

Then it doesn't look like you came very far in life coz anyone will tell you that calling names would be classified as insulting.

As Riekert said Forum Rules, read that and then you should be more informed!

Umm, maybe its just me but telling somone to

Dude, start thinking now!

Or

Then use the brains God gave you.

When he is asking simple advise is totaly out of line, ESPECIALY when your actualy wrong (or getto right as you later admited even though youve never done it yourself)

I know for a fact I would smack your teeth right out of your mouth if you spoke to me like that in person, maybe if you talk to people asking advise the way you should, or better yet actualy gave accurate advise you wouldnt have this problem would you? or better yet use your own advise and actualy apologise to Poizen for the way you spoke to him...

Just my 2c for wasting more time on this pointless forum due to people like yourself fucking it up for everyone trying to actualy get somewhere.

If you want to keep on with this go to the correct thread.

This is over now! 😉

LOL, what a joke. Now I know why I stay away.

I'm out, time for me to adjust my timing, "where the hell's my bloody hammer"

EPIC I tell you EPIC 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

hey guys 😂 😂

well great news car is fixed

i striped it at work today and i found the problem

i was missing 1 locating dowl for the cam belt cover so is wasnt locating the cas dead center so anyway i made a new one and now all is 100%

did the timing i found when doing the timing dont use the little loop at the back it gets to much interfeerence from the main loom that runs there
it more acurate with taking the coil out abd putting an extension line

tested with 2 timing lights and both say 15 degrees exactly now car ulls so smooth and got extreme power diff

thanks to those that gave advise was greatly apreciated

yip, best way to do it.