S13 or S14

ChemCool wrote:

I still love you all.

you are scaring the members again chemcool!!!!

justin wrote:

veecee wrote:

justin wrote:

why did you rebuild your engine, and not buy an import SR20

in a word:

too expensive.

oh wait, thats two words. maybe thats why i didnt study engineering!!!!

so justin - are you from kerridge???

expensive, can i get some ballpark figures please.

Kerridge-> its called APD now 😂 i left ADP in Jan, do i know you, i would of noticed an S13 in the basement parking?

i dont think you know me, but a while back my fiance' worked at ADP. she had a KCC email adress, and i remember that you joined zooped with your KCC email address. when i showed her that, she said she knew who you were!!!

Sr20det swap ballpark figures:
Sr20det with gearbox R12000
Management R5000-15000
Turbo:R3500-15000
Labour:R5000
Propshaft:R2000
Mountings:R2000
Piping:R1000
External wastegate R1500
BOV:R600
Electic Fans:R900
New Clutch + waterpump:R2500
Coilpacks:R1000
Service:R600
Dyno: R800-R2000
rocker arm stoppers:R800
Unmentionables:R2000-R5000

sr20 reliability...PRICELESS

Forgot a few things.....
Not really necessary but if you want some HP and handling

Exhaust:R1500
injectors:R3500
Walbro pump:R1000
Manifold:R2000
coiloversR11000
Cams R5000
Solid lifters R2000
sr20de throttle body R700
boost controller R5000
Turbo timer R1000
Mags:R7000
Tyres:R6000
Radiator:R2500
Brake upgrade: R8000-20000
Cometic gasket R2000
motor overhaul:R10 000-50 000

It never ends.....

Sr20det swap ballpark figures:
Sr20det with gearbox R12000
Management R5000-15000
Turbo:R3500-15000
Labour:R5000
Propshaft:R2000
Mountings:R2000
Piping:R1000
External wastegate R1500
BOV:R600
Electic Fans:R900
New Clutch + waterpump:R2500
Coilpacks:R1000
Service:R600
Dyno: R800-R2000
rocker arm stoppers:R800
Unmentionables:R2000-R5000

sr20 reliability...PRICELESS

The guys are talking about a swap not a rebuild or upgrade.
Sr20det engine and gearbox R10 000
Management fitted and mapped R9000
Intercooler and plumbing incl Bov R6000 (My design)
Fong Kong Intercooler somewhat cheaper
12" Electric fans I seem to recall R1000 each X2

The rest probably similar to above.

I love my crappy CA18 😛 Although an SR would be nice, i'll stick to mine to make a point. Any thing 15 years old can be seen as out dated and will become unreliable if its 15 years old.

As with many things, things are loved for there popularity. The reason why SR's are so popular is that the CA18 S13's (PS13) had a very short life span in Japan, and where quickly put aside by the SR20 (RPS13). Where in other countries UK/AUS/SA the CA18 where the only S13's that where put on sale. Japan is the driving force and we just follow. I can nearly bet if they kept the CA18 through the S13 range that it would have the same respect as the SR20. Just look at the 4AGE engine, it's lank old, but loved by many! The only reason is that Toyota never really did an major engine change like Nissan, the SW20 (Thats an MKII MR20) saw the 4AGZE which was a an supercharged version, that beefed the popularity more, even the 4AGELU (20V RXI motor) used it as a base. As with all things demand pushes development and such SR20 became the standard for after market (AM) parts, and why there are so many available. But the last couple of years has pushed the demand for CA18 parts up due to the popularity from AUS/UK even USA. But I don't see it going any further, the CA18 has met it's age. The SR will live on for a little while longer... to bridge the cap in the Nissan performance car era... I don't see many of us buying a Z33 and bolting on affordable AM parts just yet... not for the next 3-5 years. But we have to get use to the VQ engine range its the standard for the next generation, inline is dead 🙁

lemme settle this quickly

justin - you've seen my car, it's the hottest shit in that parking lot at work 🙂

it's prolly also the fastest 😀

What's the most powerfull CA18 make in a S13? and remember, i drive my car everyday on 95 pump.

I also like the look of the S13 - but it is geting really old, the interior is really old too. I mean, they don't even have leather seats AFAIK.

I love my car so much, that i don't even like the R34 anymore. I used to be NUTS about the skyline. But as it stands now, no car is sexier than my S14

(maybe i'm just lucky to have found the one car for me 😛)

I think someone got high on himself... 🙄

uhhm yeah

n1smo200sx : dont scare the people away man with your "one hundred millio dollars!" quote 😉 we need numbers!

justin: if you have to choose between the s13 and the s14, i propose you buy the 200sx 😀

think about this - if you put the R30K difference to good use, which will fit better into your garage?

widowmaker wrote:

uhhm yeah

think about this - if you put the R30K difference to good use, which will fit better into your garage?

i thought about it, and came to this conclusion:

the R30k difference is accurate if you accept the current advertised prices of the s13 sx. i dont. so i say its more like a R40k (+-) difference.

no matter.

even with a R30k difference though - you should be able to perform enough modification to achieve a regular 180rwkw??? no???

then you could have a savage beast and it wouldn't have the comfy underpinnings of the s14. so you would really know you are driving a winner instead of a camry!!!

Howdy, just my 2c...

In the end it depends what you want to go for, I totally feel the R30k you spend on an S14 is worth it, I've spent alot more than that and my car is still stockish! Look at it this way, the S14 was the evolution of an S13 (Duh), The S14 is more refined, the interior is better, the ride quality is great, also its a more mature car, it also has its advantages: 4 Pot brakes standard, Stiffer chassis, Neutral steering... Did I mention the interior? 😛 the S13 guys might flame me for this, but stock for stock the S14 is better, if it wasnt then nissan wouldnt have released it.... BUT an S14 is 80k or so, get a good S13 for 50k and spend R30k on it and it will kick the S14...

So do you want an 80k car? or a R50k car to be "improved" upon.

Interestingly enough, I agree with a previous comment about the S14 missing something.... I also cant put my finger on it, but a S13 does give more thrill, and it definately looks the part! My S14 is by no means boring, it just lacks.....something.... 😮

actually the first time anyone's actually said it i think. everyone takes it as a "given", for want of a better word as "fact" actually, but maybe not everyone knows it???

perhaps the statement is NOT, a logical conclusion for some people to make. so here, at 200sx dot zed-A dot net, we will say it for you!!!

"THE S14 IS THE EVOLUTION OF THE S13!"

it came after. they didnt wait around in the shadows, ready to throw the s14 at us, at the perfect moment. they spent their valuable time developing (read: improving upon, bettering, progressing, elaborating, advancing, EVOLVO-ING, etc) the design principles applied to the s13, so that a better, and more refined, s14 could take its place... thus ensuring the continuation, and hopefully subsequent sales success of nissan's most popular sports model - the 200sx!!!

ok enough smoke up their japanese arses - and enough sarcasm dripping off this post -

GOOD NIGHT!!!

another thing i've thought of - not to slam the s14 again...
sure - i concur it is a 'better' car. in the same sense that a 2000 porsche is better than a 1990 porsche. it has to be, because evolution doesn't stand still. but
the 1990 porsche is closer to cult status for the same reason as the 19voertsek willys jeep will cost you the same as buying a second hand 4x4 from, say 1996 (well, maybe close, but just to illustrate) - the new 4x4 has all the bells'n'wistles but it does not have the character + plus you can't find them! ask any real 4x4 enthusiast
if you buy a beetle, would you buy one of the first specimens or a 1998 "beetle"?

the older the car it becomes a question of value in the eye of the beholder.
it doesn't mean that i dont want to drop an SR in my s13, but for the shape of the car - the s13 gets more rubbernecking in the traffic. maybe its not your thang, but girls wont flash an s14 imo

hell, i'd pay the same for a 280ZX as what i'd pay for an s13 if only my wife wont hit me so hard for bringing more junk to the yard!

hell, i'd pay the same for a 280ZX as what i'd pay for an s13 if only my wife wont hit me so hard for bringing more junk to the yard!

No ways sorry the 280zx is an ugly car, KAK to drive and ... well ... just no 😕 .

all i can say is

"ja, whatever"

S14 > S13 😛

luckily we all entitled to our opinions. And obviously S13 drivers will be biased, same as I am biased.

No one wants to say "i should rather have bought the better S14"

DISLEX I must say your S14 looks way good, but the STD ones dont.

hey,

when i posted the topic S13 vs S14, i didnt mean S13 owners vs S14 owners. 😛 😛 😛

but its nice to see that you guys are willing ot defend your cars to the death.

as for the camry thing, an S14 showing off a big ass FMIC will not be mistaken for a camry.

so excluding engine, what are the weak points on these cars?

And Diesel, you drive way too fast in the basement, so fast that u didnt notice the white murchielago and the silver GT3 😂

hey VeeCee, dude, how do you know me ????

i see i have loads of research to do.

justin wrote:

i didnt mean S13 owners vs S14 owners. 😛 😛 😛

Dont worry, it always just turns out that way 😛

justin wrote:

so excluding engine, what are the weak points on these cars?

Regarding both cars, they are both pretty strong, If the engine checks out then you are pretty safe, there are just alot of ignorant people put there that drove the cars and changed oil every 15 - 20 000 kms.

The gearboxes and Diffs are bulletproof and hold up nicely to "spirited" driving, but again, you do get examples that have been abused badly... A note on S13's, they are showing a bit of age, alot of people here will admit to electrical problems/glitches basically down to the age of the cars and the fact that the engine bays do run hotter than normal, cooked wires, dodgy electrical fixes or alarm installations. Suspensions can get soggy depending how they've been driven and other mist stuff to check, electriv windows, aircon, blah blah blah.

So basically if you get a car that was owned by an old lady, who serviced it every 5000 kms, kept the standard alarm and sound system you should be fine.... otherwise you ARE going to spend some money somewhere, its almost a given, not being nasty, just being realistic...

As the other guys have already stated the 200sx is a money pit no matter which model you buy, having said that, every time I look at my s13 it brings a smile to my face and it's not even up and running at the moment 😂

It really comes down to personal preference, which one would you rather have sitting in your garage? Try to get a test drive in both and go from there.

Come and say a 240ZX is an ugly car... come try it 8)

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