My 200SX S13 1991

DDrillergy02 Nov 2007, 11:46

My Problems- When my car idles the needle jumps aroung and the car shakes something like a car with cams on it... do you thing that one of the coils are done....?

Also, I dont have a fifth gear, probably syncro or linkage...

Any contacts for this.....

And theres a small oil leak not sure where from but I dont like it...

Any contacts to get these things sorted?
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PS thats not me in the pic, I just thought he is a ladies man... :arrow:

jjohansx02 Nov 2007, 13:30

If the needle jumps its is probably electrical... Chech the battery earth to chassis and engine as well.

Linkage or selector....

2200SX MP03 Nov 2007, 01:48

The fith gear posibly singcrous but does it jump out of gear or does it just dont wanna go in ๐Ÿ™„ :idea: coils wi be permanent it wont jump around i alsothink its electrical ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

vveecee03 Nov 2007, 06:29

200SX MP wrote:

The fith gear posibly singcrous but does it jump out of gear or does it just dont wanna go in ๐Ÿ™„ :idea: coils wi be permanent it wont jump around i alsothink its electrical ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

coil issues have been known to manifest only when they get hot. so perhaps not always permanent. but once the coil doesnt work you wont get spark so the symptom will be quite permanent.

misfiring causes the needle jumping and hte engine movement. it also seems like a common trait on these ca18's lately!!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

DDanielmoderator05 Nov 2007, 09:53

I've had 2 coils die in the last 3 months...the stupid sh1t ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

vveecee05 Nov 2007, 09:56

i found a way to wire in 2 pin bosch standalone coils. they give beeeg spark and can be used with stock management.

very nice.

but its over a grand for four i think!

DDracomoderator05 Nov 2007, 10:11

If it is going to be more relieble it is a good idea...I would do it as soon as I had the money and knew it would be relieble.

vveecee05 Nov 2007, 10:21

the coils themselves are very reliable.

my only concern would be that coils only give out as much spark as they're triggered with. and i'm not entirely sure that the trigger signal on our systems would do that!

but on the rotary's they work really well. giving big spark under high boost conditions to very high RPM's!!!

and this way you could mount the coils anywhere and run HT leads to the plugs making life much easier to change plugs and trouble shoot and so on!!!

CChemCooladmin05 Nov 2007, 20:49

my only concern would be that coils only give out as much spark as they're triggered with. and i'm not entirely sure that the trigger signal on our systems would do that!

Need Toby to confirm this. I say a trigger signal is a trigger signal. You can use tiny small trigger signals to trigger big things. This is in electronics now. But yes , there can be a spec for that ?

vveecee05 Nov 2007, 21:11

ChemCool wrote:

my only concern would be that coils only give out as much spark as they're triggered with. and i'm not entirely sure that the trigger signal on our systems would do that!

Need Toby to confirm this. I say a trigger signal is a trigger signal. You can use tiny small trigger signals to trigger big things. This is in electronics now. But yes , there can be a spec for that ?

yes i agree - we need an electronics genius to confirm it, but i got that info from another electronics genius buddy of mine,...

perhaps we can pit them against each other in a death match over this???

mowahahahaha ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

VVladeadmin06 Nov 2007, 06:48

veecee wrote:

the coils themselves are very reliable.

my only concern would be that coils only give out as much spark as they're triggered with. and i'm not entirely sure that the trigger signal on our systems would do that!

I think you are right about that one, that is why I had to use two of these babies

TTobyadmin06 Nov 2007, 12:59

The trigger signal from the ECU will not affect spark quality - all it's there to do is turn on the POWER TRANSISTOR (that R4000 jobby perched on the suspension tower). The power transistor then turns that signal into a nice big voltage spike that the coil then converts into thousands of volts for the good 'ol spark plug.

SO, in summary, your spark "quality" if we can call it that, will be affected by the coil (in theory, it could short a few coils out and hence reduce efficiency, but I doubt that happens in practise) and pretty much nothing else. If the power transistor is dead, it's dead. It's not gonna half work. The coil could be intermittent, but generally it's also either ON or OFF. The rest is all in your head ๐Ÿ˜‚

CChemCooladmin06 Nov 2007, 13:35

And the pic from vlade is a different form of power transistor/amplifier.
A transistor is an amplifier. ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚

Chem 8)

vveecee06 Nov 2007, 14:12

so in lay terms, if you tried to trigger the coil with 12v it would give the same output as if you tried to trigger it with 120v???

GGary5706 Nov 2007, 15:13

Correct VC.

CChemCooladmin06 Nov 2007, 15:40

NO, explain the 120v? Why 120 v?

CChemCooladmin06 Nov 2007, 15:43 ยท edited

The 12v you would rather use to trigger the power transistor and the power transistor carry the load of the coils.
So why 120v?

You can also trigger a 12 Volt coil with 12v provided the 12V source can deliver the set current. Then that coil can deliver higher output voltage. Similar like NA. You can theoreticaly input that same coil with higher voltage and get more out than the first example, but there are limitations.
So to make up for higher current situations and to seperate more than one coil firing, you make use then of a power transistor to assist. The power transistor can be triggered even with let say 5v, but the power transistor will switch any other applicable voltage to the coil and will keep the current in mind as well. If for that reason this coil can handle an input of 120v(which is not likely) it can be sitched that way, but I dont think this is what you want

GGary5706 Nov 2007, 15:45

So why 120v?

I think he just used that figure to get his point across, could of said 12v or 4v i suppose.

CChemCooladmin06 Nov 2007, 15:52

The 12v you would rather use to trigger the power transistor and the power transistor carry the load of the coils.
So why 120v?

You can also trigger a 12 Volt coil with 12v provided the 12V source can deliver the set current. Then that coil can deliver higher output voltage. Similar like NA. You can theoreticaly input that same coil with higher voltage and get more out than the first example, but there are limitations.
So to make up for higher current situations and to seperate more than one coil firing, you make use then of a power transistor to assist. The power transistor can be triggered even with let say 5v, but the power transistor will switch any other applicable voltage to the coil and will keep the current in mind as well. If for that reason this coil can handle an input of 120v(which is not likely) it can be sitched that way, but I dont think this is what you want

CChemCooladmin06 Nov 2007, 15:55

think he just used that figure to get his point across, could of said 12v or 4v i suppose.

Sure, ok. Just making sure we dont get confused

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