Hi Guys
I've got a serious noise comming from my engine when it reaches 2500rpm and gets worse as it revs higher. It sounds as if it's comming from the head. Am not driving enymore with it though, till I fix it up.
Do any of you know what it might be? It's on a SR20DET. I am clueless...
I had a look at the cams, but don't see anything strange there.
Noise Problem
does it sound faster than the rpm?
is a tap... (tik tik tik)... or a crrr...?
strangely enough we had this same problem last night at the drift track.
it was an s14 with a s13 SR20det blacktop (the flat one without VVT).
it was making the strangest noise, sometimes even on idle, sounded like a tapping or knocking of some kind. it was erratic, and at times could be heard all through the rev range.
the driver thought it might be detonation, but it wasnt.
we listened to everything with a trusty long screwdriver, and found the problem on spark plug 4. when we open the plug cover, you could actually feel the tapping on top of coil 4.
we removed the coil, but the plug looked fine, that is... until we removed it. the ceramic part of the plug had loosened off of the metal part of the plug, and it was bouncing up and down on compression/decompression strokes!!!
replaced it and it was fine.
my point is - sometimes these noises can be very decieving. you need to pinpoint the noise, and tell us more about it, before we can help with diagnosing the problem!
It could be the lifters as well.
there are many things that it could be.
chemcool's crrrr was most decieving. it might have been lifters, it might have been the PCV (?) valve, it might have been the idler pulley, or the tensioner pulley, and in the end he had to rebuild his engine...
oh wait, that might scare the crap out of "S13- S14 Conversion".
sorry dude - but we need to narrow it down!
veecee wrote:
there are many things that it could be.
chemcool's crrrr was most decieving. it might have been lifters, it might have been the PCV (?) valve, it might have been the idler pulley, or the tensioner pulley, and in the end he had to rebuild his engine...
oh wait, that might scare the crap out of "S13- S14 Conversion".
sorry dude - but we need to narrow it down!
Didn't really scare me. I'm gonna do the engine anyway, from pistons, bearings etc. It sounds as if the plug problem could be it, it's also at plug no. 4. It's completely still until it reaches 2500rpm. Will have a look tonight and let you guys know. Really hope it's nothing serious, it just sound very bad. Thanks for all the advice.
Vlade wrote:
does it sound faster than the rpm?
is a tap... (tik tik tik)... or a crrr...?
Yes, it sounds faster than the rpm and it sounds as if it could be a crrr sound. 🙁
its the clothes pin that you put in the spokes of your wheel
bearings maybe...
If I was you... I'll check the timing belt gear check for any loose pulleys, check that you have enough oil... maybe an oil change and when doing so check for gold/copper shavings might be an indication of running bearings...
Vlade wrote:
bearings maybe...
If I was you... I'll check the timing belt gear check for any loose pulleys, check that you have enough oil... maybe an oil change and when doing so check for gold shavings might be an indication of running bearings...
at the risk of being told off for spamming...
perhaps thats the reason nissan charges so much for spares????
veecee wrote:
Vlade wrote:
bearings maybe...
If I was you... I'll check the timing belt gear check for any loose pulleys, check that you have enough oil... maybe an oil change and when doing so check for gold shavings might be an indication of running bearings...
at the risk of being told off for spamming...
perhaps thats the reason nissan charges so much for spares????
Ya, I think it could be made out of gold. They are crazy with their prices. If the prices would be lower they will sell more parts and then maybe make some money.
and in the end he had to rebuild his engine...
Yes,spot on, like I am doing--- because it is krrrrr... like wasgoed pennetjie yes.Bearings!!!Dont tell me about krrssss.... 😮
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Although, truth be told, ChemCool and Vlade and I were CONVINCED that my engine had bearing knock when we heard it, but it turns out it was a loose pulley.
Do some elimination first before assuming the worst. Take off belts to remove accessories from the equation. Rev while in neutral and car not moving to isolate drive-train noises. Open cover and remove coils and inspect plugs, etc. Even unplug one cylinder at a time to see if the noise is restricted to a specific cylinder. Remove tappet covers and inspect for damage. All of this is way easier than hauling out the engine and finding out it wasn't bearings afterall...
Looked at the plugs :x No problem there. I listenned with screw driver and it sounds as if it may be comming from the pistons or bearings. I'm gonna take the engine out anyway to replace the pistons with Arias, so then I'll have to replace the bearings as well. If the noise is still there after that 😕 then I give up. I'll go through eveything when I overhaul the engine.
going over the engine while it is out of the car is definitely the easiest, but it often isnt as useful as having it in the car.
once its on a bench, you cannot really simulate the conditions that caused the problem in the first place. so unless the problem is "in your face" visible, you may not find it.
BUT - having the engine out of the engine bay gives you the perfect opportunity to replace necessary items, such as water pump and oil pump. please dont rebuild without replacing those. also it gives you the chance to replace little things that perish over time, like hoses. and you can clean out the steel crankcase breather pipe, as those often get clogged and blocked!
ChemCool wrote:
and in the end he had to rebuild his engine...
Yes,spot on, like I am doing--- because it is krrrrr... like wasgoed pennetjie yes.Bearings!!!Dont tell me about krrssss.... 😮
When yours made that krrrr, did it also start making the noise when it pick up revs and stay quite when it is below 2000rpm?
veecee wrote:
going over the engine while it is out of the car is definitely the easiest, but it often isnt as useful as having it in the car.
once its on a bench, you cannot really simulate the conditions that caused the problem in the first place. so unless the problem is "in your face" visible, you may not find it.
BUT - having the engine out of the engine bay gives you the perfect opportunity to replace necessary items, such as water pump and oil pump. please dont rebuild without replacing those. also it gives you the chance to replace little things that perish over time, like hoses. and you can clean out the steel crankcase breather pipe, as those often get clogged and blocked!
Where would that breather pipe be:?: I don't know about it 😕
S13- S14 Conversion wrote:
veecee wrote:
going over the engine while it is out of the car is definitely the easiest, but it often isnt as useful as having it in the car.
once its on a bench, you cannot really simulate the conditions that caused the problem in the first place. so unless the problem is "in your face" visible, you may not find it.
BUT - having the engine out of the engine bay gives you the perfect opportunity to replace necessary items, such as water pump and oil pump. please dont rebuild without replacing those. also it gives you the chance to replace little things that perish over time, like hoses. and you can clean out the steel crankcase breather pipe, as those often get clogged and blocked!
Where would that breather pipe be:?: I don't know about it 😕
it runs from near your water-based oil heater, goes over the knock sensor and bends upwards to end in a vertical orientation. its underneath the intake manifold.
Fraddies krrr noise starts at abou 3000 revs and then goes away after about 4-4500 revs, it sometimes starts earlier when the car is still cold. What makes me wonder, about his problem, a bearing knock is there or it's not, why does it come at a sertain stage and then goes away again...?
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